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DW->LJ : crosspost vs rss - oldbloke's mutterings
July 15th, 2009
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DW->LJ : crosspost vs rss
DW can crosspost to LJ
DW blogs can be read as RSS feeds - in LJ if you create a name to stick in your FL

The RSS feed comes with a URL which will get people to the original post so they can comment
The crosspost has an optional footer which can include the URL

The footer can explain what's going on
The feed doesn't

And in my last test, the crosspost took under a minute, but the feed took 80 minutes to arrive at LJ though it could be seen in other readers long before that. Odd.

Crosspost wins, if all you want is to dup from DW to LJ, then.

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From:k425
Date:July 15th, 2009 07:34 am (UTC)
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If I comment in LJ, does the comment also appear in DW?
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From:caramel_betty
Date:July 15th, 2009 08:21 am (UTC)
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No. It'd be like you and OldBloke posting the same post in both your LJ journals. Comments on one would turn up on one, comments on the other would turn up on the other.

What some people have chosen to do (and I believe some of the clients help with this) is to turn off comments on one or the other, and have the link to the canonical version for people to post comments.
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From:k425
Date:July 15th, 2009 09:05 am (UTC)
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No

And that's why I won't be bothering. I'm using DW purely to back up my LJ (when I remember).

If there comes a time when LJ dies a death, I'll move over to DW but right now ICBA.
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From:oldbloke
Date:July 15th, 2009 09:00 am (UTC)
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If in the DW Other Sites bit you have a suitable footer message about the crosspost, and check the disable comments box, that disable refers to the crosspost, not the DW original, so people then don't get an LJ comment button but the footer can have a URL they can follow if they want to comment.
You'd have to allow anon commenting for peeps who don't have a DW or OpenID username.

Given most of our FL are still on LJ, it'd be handier if we could crosspost from LJ to DW and do it all the other way round.
Or get DW to read your LJ as an RSS feed, maybe.
Or just keep using DW as a backup with the import tool, as you were before.
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From:sidheag
Date:July 15th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
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I wonder how many people there are who, like me, simply CBA with another site and ignore all links to "follow the link to comment here"?
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From:oldbloke
Date:July 15th, 2009 10:18 am (UTC)
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Zillions. But if it's the only way to keep track of some people you'd like to?

If L hadn't followed me from u.m. to u.r.s. we would probably never have married and the world's net happiness would be much lower!
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From:sidheag
Date:July 15th, 2009 04:41 pm (UTC)
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ah, how romantic :-)

There's something about the way this linking stuff works though that rubs me up the wrong way. It's a bit like "I'll share my great thoughts with you by cross-posting this here, but I can't be bothered to read your comment here so I'm requiring you to go over there to make it" - and feeling that that's what's being said in itself makes me not feel like commenting. I'm sure that's not (always!) how it's meant, but I suppose what I meant was, am I the only one who can't help reading it that way? If I am, maybe I should just try to get over it... if not, then a better solution is to permit comments in both places, maybe just with a link so that people who feel really completist about it can read the comments in both places.
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From:imc
Date:July 15th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
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I don't think you're out of line there at all.
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From:hooloovoo_42
Date:July 15th, 2009 09:02 am (UTC)
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If you are on my flist and migrate to DW, then crosspost back to LJ, I will still have to go to your DW entry to comment. That's no different from me reading rss feeds for non-LJ blogs and having to go to their blog to comment. But if the only reason for crossposting is to duplicate your blog, what's the point? Pick one and stick with it and let the people who read your blog decide how to read it.

Is it necessary to have a footer to explain to people why they have to go somewhere else to comment? Although, I guess the answer is probably yes, seeing the number of people who comment on the fryblog feed in LJ.

I guess I'm just not really a fan of crossposting. It always bugged me on Usenet when people added or removed a stack of groups and seemingly random people popped up unexpectedly in mid discussion. There's a difference between choosing to read something in one place and having it thrust upon you. If I buy The Guardian, I don't tend to want to find half a dozen sheets of the Daily Maul inside it. If I want to read the Maul, I know where to get hold of it.
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From:oldbloke
Date:July 15th, 2009 09:17 pm (UTC)
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That's no different from me reading rss feeds for non-LJ blogs and having to go to their blog to comment

Yeh, you do that, how many other people do?
What it is, is this:
Some people left for DW.
Others who used to read them don't have DW accounts and seem to be saying that they won't get them and don't like the 'go here to comment' stuff.
Well, if they can't be arsed to do either, why were they reading those people in the first place?
I was looking for a way to make the remote-comment stuff less offensive, but really the answer is, you clearly weren't that good friends anyway, just take them off your FL.

Edited at 2009-07-15 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From:imc
Date:July 15th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
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LiveJournal only checks RSS feeds once an hour if it has readers or once a day if it has no readers (I think that's right — I'm not sure if it's documented anywhere).
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